This is targeted to the extreme vegans, extreme animal rights activists and PETA fags that use this "Animals are our equals" quote too much.
Like Mufusa said, we are all connected in the circle of life, even though they eat the antelope, we should take care of our animals weather we eat them or not.
To those who follow PETA, go tell another species that eats meat to stop eating it and see how far that gets ya.
If you want to debate this with logical arguments I'm in. It's a long time ago I discussed on themes concerning animal rights.
I'm up for it.
Here's my situation. I live on an island in the gulf of Alaska. We have one grocery store here with limited selection and the prices are 39% more than the national average. Much of the produce is either not available or high priced and poor quality. The meat is all from factory farms and is brought in by barge. I hunt snowshoe hares, deer, Mountain Goats, and elk, as well as several hundred pounds of fish per year. I thoroughly enjoy the hunt and most important the meat for my friends and family. I don't eat fast food or buy meat at the store. Let's discuss in an adult logical manner what your issue is with that.
After that we can debate fox trapping.
I would murder humans if there was a necessity to, but I wouldn't enjoy it. I also wouldn't choose to live somewhere I can't afford to buy enough food or where I can't feed the family without being cruel to animals - seriously, why did humans conquer Alaska?
Here's my take on enjoying hunting. I enjoy being outside, in fact I spend around 40-60 hours a week outside. I get to see more real nature in a year than most people see in their life. I watch eagles catch ducks in mid air and tear them to shreds. I've seen foxes take down a fawn deer. Wolves cruising a field edge on the hunt. Ermine chasing tundra voles. Avalanches, volcanoes, 40 foot seas exploding on the bluffs. This is REAL stuff, not the cookie cutter nature center hike junk. We are animals just like everything else. I like to learn the behaviors and patterns of the animals I share the land with, and hunting them makes you really aware of why and how they do things. I don't enjoy killing things, but I enjoy the challenge of getting really close to animals. I enjoy marksmanship, I spend many hours at the rifle range competitively. I enjoy the hike and seeing how far I can push my body. Hunting takes many of the things I already love to do and combines them with the result of the best meat in the world.
There isn't any cruelty in what I do at all. In fact, it's one of the least traumatic deaths you could imagine. Death by a well placed bullet is instant via a disrupted central nervous system. It's like the flip of a light switch, painless, humane, just out...
I look forward to your perspective on what I just wrote. Obviously we are both set in our beliefs but a friendly discussion tends to at least enlighten and expand the mind.
If you don't enjoy causing the death of animals why are you doing it? Is it necessary? If so, would you go vegan if you were living in Europe where you could easily afford this diet?
I love hiking as you do, but I won't cause the death of animals - never! I don't think we're greater than animals, but we're able to use alternatives, which we should take into consideration when we talk about animals being cruel to other animals.
As for animal testing, we wouldn't know how, but we do know now which allows us to develop alternative methods based on stem cells for example. After all animal testing isn't as effective as it's thought to be.
What if the parents of the disabled would agree to kill the disabled as newborn?
argument with a peta freak is like have argument with a child
Most of what I mean is in the description anyways and people should not get confused unless they fail to read it (then its their fault)
* Animals are our ethical equals, they deserve all the protection we get.
* However only we can actually use ethics.
* Therefore all the protection should be from our end. Animals don't know what they're doing.
To a point this has some logic and utility. It's not ok to torture animals just because other animals do, there *is* a qualitative difference. But at the same time that makes animals unequal to us in some respects.
We kill A LOT more animals than they kill us.
They kill us
We can kill them.
While we hunt almost all of them.
And where did I say that every human hunts?
by the way the last comment was kind of sarcasm, if you didn't realize this.
So as far as this goes, only the crocs actually aim for us. They even made a movie about one in Africa who killed several hundred people in its lifetime.
I remember watching something about them and there was nothing territorial or defensive about it, the animal simply got a taste for human flesh and just kept hunting them.
In fact, if a human kills an animal it is ok. But if an animal kills a human even in self-defence it is punished and its entire species gets a stigma of hatred
Having said that, we're not ready to give up meat yet because the current replacements don't even taste or look like meat. I think the idea of growing meat in factories from cells is very promising, but we need to be prepared to put some funding towards it. Science doesn't just happen.
Besides, we grow animals for eating them and making products out of them, not just "killing".
First how do you think you can grow a steak in a petri dish? We can only grow a thin skin of tissue. Growing a large ammount of multiple cell(the size of a tennis ball not a bread crumb) is nearly imposible in a petry dich. Seriously each cell need to be fed how do you will do that without a functionning irregating device?
Also population opinion, GMO are already an huge piece of drama even HFCS. Do you think people will want to eat the mother of artificial product when a mere transformation cause outrage?
and probably the most important artificial matter never proved to beat natural. It will probably not taste like real meat