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DONT EAT MEAT!!!1111!!!!! ANIMALS R OUR EQUALZ! by Little-rolling-bean DONT EAT MEAT!!!1111!!!!! ANIMALS R OUR EQUALZ! by Little-rolling-bean
Just a little thought. If animals are our equals, why can't we kill them like they kill us? No, I am not saying its okay to go around and kill everything you see because they kill us, I am just saying if you think we are equal, why are they allowed to kill (and sometimes eat) us whilst we should be not allowed to? Thats not equality is it? :P

This is targeted to the extreme vegans, extreme animal rights activists and PETA fags that use this "Animals are our equals" quote too much.

Like Mufusa said, we are all connected in the circle of life, even though they eat the antelope, we should take care of our animals weather we eat them or not. 
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VaniNami Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2014
I don't see why some vegans flip out that some people eat meat. It's natural. We need protein to survive. Notice how we have more jagged teeth? Those are for chewing meat. Our digestive system is made to be able to digest meat.


To those who follow PETA, go tell another species that eats meat to stop eating it and see how far that gets ya.
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Little-rolling-bean Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, just because it is natural for us or we have jagged teeth does not mean we have to be on a vegan diet, and humans can turn veg. 

But yes, it should be a choice. 
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Vegan33 Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
That is by far the greatest bullshit by yours. Think about it just for a moment. Are humans with disabilities our equals? I think so. Then why can some of them get their ass wiped doing no fucking work for society while we can't? Just answer this. You can't... I thought so. Equality means to beware interests, while we do have plenty interests like education, entertainment etc. animals only have one core interest - to survive. You can't blame for doing, what they have to do in order to survive, but you can blame humans who achieved the alternatives if they still do kill animals for no other reason than enjoyment.

If you want to debate this with logical arguments I'm in. It's a long time ago I discussed on themes concerning animal rights.
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mnshortdraw Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013

I'm up for it.

Here's my situation.  I live on an island in the gulf of Alaska.  We have one grocery store here with limited selection and the prices are 39% more than the national average.  Much of the produce is either not available or high priced and poor quality.  The meat is all from factory farms and is brought in by barge.  I hunt snowshoe hares, deer, Mountain Goats, and elk, as well as several hundred pounds of fish per year.  I thoroughly enjoy the hunt and most important the meat for my friends and family.  I don't eat fast food or buy meat at the store.  Let's discuss in an adult logical manner what your issue is with that.

After that we can debate fox trapping.

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Vegan33 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
According to the description of your situation you're hunting, because there is no less cruel alternative to that, right? On the other side you claim to enjoy the act of hunting an animal, which, if you're consequent enough to think so far, means you enjoy murder ( of animals ). Now listen - first you claim to act for survival choosing the less cruel alternative to the factory farm to satisfy a necessity, but on the other hand you enjoy it as a hobby. Here is a question - would you go hunting even if there was no necessity to? If you don't care about it, then you don't care about animals in general and you're being hypocritical judging those who buy meat from factory farms. Got it? You can either claim it to be an act for survival or enjoy it, but if you enjoy hunting you wouldn't stop even if there was no necessity.

I would murder humans if there was a necessity to, but I wouldn't enjoy it. I also wouldn't choose to live somewhere I can't afford to buy enough food or where I can't feed the family without being cruel to animals - seriously, why did humans conquer Alaska?
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mnshortdraw Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013
There's no one reason I hunt, it is a combination of everything. The meat I get to feed my family with is handled properly, clean and cut to our liking and packaged properly. No hormones, antibiotics, steroids, or fed improper food. No standing in their own filth or being stressed on the way to the slaughterhouse. I most certainly would still hunt if there was cheap beef and pork at the grocery store. You can not buy meat as good as the animals I kill at the store. It just doesn't exist.
Here's my take on enjoying hunting. I enjoy being outside, in fact I spend around 40-60 hours a week outside. I get to see more real nature in a year than most people see in their life. I watch eagles catch ducks in mid air and tear them to shreds. I've seen foxes take down a fawn deer. Wolves cruising a field edge on the hunt. Ermine chasing tundra voles. Avalanches, volcanoes, 40 foot seas exploding on the bluffs. This is REAL stuff, not the cookie cutter nature center hike junk. We are animals just like everything else. I like to learn the behaviors and patterns of the animals I share the land with, and hunting them makes you really aware of why and how they do things. I don't enjoy killing things, but I enjoy the challenge of getting really close to animals. I enjoy marksmanship, I spend many hours at the rifle range competitively. I enjoy the hike and seeing how far I can push my body. Hunting takes many of the things I already love to do and combines them with the result of the best meat in the world.
There isn't any cruelty in what I do at all. In fact, it's one of the least traumatic deaths you could imagine. Death by a well placed bullet is instant via a disrupted central nervous system. It's like the flip of a light switch, painless, humane, just out...
I look forward to your perspective on what I just wrote. Obviously we are both set in our beliefs but a friendly discussion tends to at least enlighten and expand the mind.
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Vegan33 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Here is in short what you say about hunting - it takes you outdoors, where you get to see nature at its purest and it takes you close to animals, which you can study.

If you don't enjoy causing the death of animals why are you doing it? Is it necessary? If so, would you go vegan if you were living in Europe where you could easily afford this diet?

I love hiking as you do, but I won't cause the death of animals - never! I don't think we're greater than animals, but we're able to use alternatives, which we should take into consideration when we talk about animals being cruel to other animals.
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mnshortdraw Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013
Necessary-no.  I wouldn't starve to death or be malnourished.  I like meat and I believe it is healthy for humans to eat good wild meat so it's something that I wouldn't give up.  It is also a tradition in my family going back many generations.  Hunting and fishing is such a big part of my life it defines me.  Almost a religion to me to get to share my life with nature.  I guess I will find ways to justify my beliefs and others will justify theirs.  I could argue that being vegan indirectly leads to killing animals but I don't think it's appropriate.  Animals die whether or not I kill them so I'm happy to be able to put them to good use.  Thanks for your open mind and intelligent, honest discussion. 
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Vegan33 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
your welcome. :)
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Little-rolling-bean Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
The thing is that those disabled people are cared for by parents and caretakers that love them. It would be bad to kill a pet dog for fur or food, same thing with the disabled. 

Humans sometimes need to kill animals for survival, you can't blame us either. Sure, we do not need meat, but some really do have nutrition problems. Also, what about medical animal testing? Without that, we wouldn't know how to do transplants without animal testing. And another thing, with rights it will be illegal to kill bugs and pests for vegan food, so even the vegans would struggle with survival, so I call out BS on that. 

I can debate, this stamp is old so what it has might not be the same views as what I have now. 
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Vegan33 Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Humans sometimes need to... sometimes. We don't discuss about sometimes when we need to do things in order to survive, that can be seen the same way we see cannibalism today, it's okay in order to survive.

As for animal testing, we wouldn't know how, but we do know now which allows us to develop alternative methods based on stem cells for example. After all animal testing isn't as effective as it's thought to be.

What if the parents of the disabled would agree to kill the disabled as newborn?
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Little-rolling-bean Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
See, even if you are against meat, we still need to kill to survive. All animals do, and it is important sometimes. Sorry, I do not support animal rights, even if I successfully become vegan even the vegtables would be full of bite marks, bugs and parasites. Funny, eating the carrot and killing a bug that was on it would be considederd "manslaughter" or in this case, "animalslaughter" for it being illegal to kill it. Would you be fined if they found out? I have a huge fear of tapeworm, and I don't want to be put behind bars for taking a pill that killed it. 
What about self defense? We all kill a bug at some point in our lives, especially mosquitos. What those things carry I don't want to think about.

Sorry, but I feel animal rights would be the end of humanity. If any animal decided to give rights to other animals they would die too. Even herbivores will try to kick a predetor in escape. 

It is too early in society, until we get lab grown meat, an alternative to animal testing and a non fatal way of protecting vegtables, we should then have animal rights. 

I support aborting disabled babies and taking the life support off them in hospital. If the perants feel the child will have a hard and painful life, it is more humane to let them go. 
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Vegan33 Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Bugs have no central nervous system - they can't feel pain. Animal rights is for those who can.
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SpiderMilkshake Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2013  Professional General Artist
Actually, they do. You have to get down to the Sponge and Jellyfish levels of animal complexity for there to be no central nervous system present.
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Vegan33 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
but they don't feel pain the same way we and other animals do. Their central nervous system didn't go trough the whole evolution.
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Little-rolling-bean Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, that is a relief. 
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Doornik1142 Featured By Owner May 21, 2013
HA! Nice one. I'll be using that the next time I'm in an argument with a PETA freak.
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Becky123190 Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2013
i hope u win the argument

argument with a peta freak is like have argument with a child
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Little-rolling-bean Featured By Owner May 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks! :D
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lordmep Featured By Owner May 19, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Here's the deal. Teach 30% of all predator species in the world to stop eating meat, and so will I.
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Little-rolling-bean Featured By Owner May 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Deal.
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kayanne21 Featured By Owner May 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Truer words have never been spoken.
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DrScarcilier Featured By Owner May 15, 2013
Is it weird that while I do think animals are our "equals", I completely agree with you and completely disagree with those fags you listed?
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TheBirb Featured By Owner May 15, 2013  Student Artist
wait.... what :I
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moonlitinuyasha1985 Featured By Owner May 15, 2013
Exactly.:D
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XimNeri Featured By Owner May 9, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I believe the stamp should say somthing like: "When an animal kills another animal, it is "allright". Therefore, as the animals we are, it is ok that we kill other animals too." haha or so I thought that was your idea rather than a: "kill them because they kill us".
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Little-rolling-bean Featured By Owner May 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Haha, I thought it meant the same
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XimNeri Featured By Owner May 9, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeah, but the less accurate you are, the more it will lead to misunderstandings... besides, there´s no yet -though, there should be- a way to express sarcasm through the internet XD
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Little-rolling-bean Featured By Owner May 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, I would make it better, but I make my stamps on the ipad and is unable to make them animated. Too small words its unseeable. Too big stamps people don't use them as much. 
Most of what I mean is in the description anyways and people should not get confused unless they fail to read it (then its their fault)
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Ziblink Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
It's a wonderful bit of logic that goes something like this:

* Animals are our ethical equals, they deserve all the protection we get.

* However only we can actually use ethics.

* Therefore all the protection should be from our end. Animals don't know what they're doing.


To a point this has some logic and utility. It's not ok to torture animals just because other animals do, there *is* a qualitative difference. But at the same time that makes animals unequal to us in some respects.
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bxnnibel Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Uh, what?
We kill A LOT more animals than they kill us.
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RainUndead Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So? The stamp said " If animals are our equals, why can't we kill them like they kill us?" As in

They kill us
We can kill them.
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bxnnibel Featured By Owner May 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
No. If we are equal, that means we should kill on the same levels, right? :^)
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RainUndead Featured By Owner May 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Not every human hunts. Whereas all predator animals do. The animals hunt what they need to eat. We need to hunt more then them to sustain a food source, or keep ourselves safe.
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bxnnibel Featured By Owner May 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
But almost no animal hunts HUMANS to EAT.
While we hunt almost all of them.
And where did I say that every human hunts?
by the way the last comment was kind of sarcasm, if you didn't realize this.
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Phendranaguardian Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Student Digital Artist
As far as i'm concerned only the crocodile actually targets humans as prey. Everything else either just takes a curiosity sample (sharks), or attacks for defensive purposes/territorial reasons (bear, snake, spider, etc).

So as far as this goes, only the crocs actually aim for us. They even made a movie about one in Africa who killed several hundred people in its lifetime.
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Charanty Featured By Owner May 8, 2013
In addition to what IcyPheonix said - and don't forget leopards and wolves. Especially wolves.
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IcyPheonix Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Student General Artist
Tigers have been know to target humans as prey. Same with lions, hence the 'man eating lions/tigers'. Generally they are very old lions or tigers that cannot hunt their normal prey and humans just happen to be easier. But it has happened.
I remember watching something about them and there was nothing territorial or defensive about it, the animal simply got a taste for human flesh and just kept hunting them.
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Phendranaguardian Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Student Digital Artist
ah yes, I forgot bout tigers. With lions, I still think it's just a territorial thing, but tigers are a definate
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Bjarru Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
They're not allowed to kill us
In fact, if a human kills an animal it is ok. But if an animal kills a human even in self-defence it is punished and its entire species gets a stigma of hatred
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Little-rolling-bean Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I geuss you are right...
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NickyVendetta Featured By Owner May 8, 2013
I'm Native American and that quote from Mufasa is something my daddy-paw once said of when Cherokee and other "Indians" used to hunt for food only.
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xXAzure-KitsuneXx Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Animals eat other animals ;P So the extremists' thinking sorta backfires :D Circle of life, after all :icondragonnodplz: Love this stamp btw XD
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Little-rolling-bean Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks :)
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BudCharles Featured By Owner May 8, 2013
They actually don't normally specifically target humans. Wild animals eat other wild animals, except for a few cases where a particular individual animals has attacked a particular human individual, probably due to some circumstantial cause. Humans, on the other hand, mass-farm billions of animals for the sole purpose of killing them.
Having said that, we're not ready to give up meat yet because the current replacements don't even taste or look like meat. I think the idea of growing meat in factories from cells is very promising, but we need to be prepared to put some funding towards it. Science doesn't just happen.
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Charanty Featured By Owner May 8, 2013
*sighs* Meat, my dear, cannot be replaced because of nutrients and vitamins it contains. Not because of taste or look.
Besides, we grow animals for eating them and making products out of them, not just "killing".
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BudCharles Featured By Owner May 8, 2013
I don't think you get what I mean. Actual meat, from actual cells, just cloning the cells rather than killing the animal, allowing the animal to live a full and happy life and people to have exactly the same chemicals on their plates.
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NitendoFan92 Featured By Owner May 12, 2013
Improbable. We don't have the resource to create viable and profitable green soylent food
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BudCharles Featured By Owner May 13, 2013
I don't mean that I mean actually cloning real meat cells without killing the animal and using all the cells. It's far more efficient and less harmful, and I don't see how we don't have the resources. Scientists have already cloned meat cells in a piece of meat the size of a saucer and once they get it bigger and safer, it will be commercially viable by the 2020s, which is now only about 10 years away.
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NitendoFan92 Featured By Owner May 14, 2013
Singuliraty is the transhumanisme name for the rapture. What common with them is neither of them would happen. A good search showed that in vitro meat is just a mirage.
First how do you think you can grow a steak in a petri dish? We can only grow a thin skin of tissue. Growing a large ammount of multiple cell(the size of a tennis ball not a bread crumb) is nearly imposible in a petry dich. Seriously each cell need to be fed how do you will do that without a functionning irregating device?

Also population opinion, GMO are already an huge piece of drama even HFCS. Do you think people will want to eat the mother of artificial product when a mere transformation cause outrage?

and probably the most important artificial matter never proved to beat natural. It will probably not taste like real meat
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