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DONT EAT MEAT!!!1111!!!!! ANIMALS R OUR EQUALZ! by Little-rolling-bean DONT EAT MEAT!!!1111!!!!! ANIMALS R OUR EQUALZ! by Little-rolling-bean
Just a little thought. If animals are our equals, why can't we kill them like they kill us? No, I am not saying its okay to go around and kill everything you see because they kill us, I am just saying if you think we are equal, why are they allowed to kill (and sometimes eat) us whilst we should be not allowed to? Thats not equality is it? :P

This is targeted to the extreme vegans, extreme animal rights activists and PETA fags that use this "Animals are our equals" quote too much.

Like Mufusa said, we are all connected in the circle of life, even though they eat the antelope, we should take care of our animals weather we eat them or not. 
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VaniNami Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2014
I don't see why some vegans flip out that some people eat meat. It's natural. We need protein to survive. Notice how we have more jagged teeth? Those are for chewing meat. Our digestive system is made to be able to digest meat.


To those who follow PETA, go tell another species that eats meat to stop eating it and see how far that gets ya.
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Little-rolling-bean Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, just because it is natural for us or we have jagged teeth does not mean we have to be on a vegan diet, and humans can turn veg. 

But yes, it should be a choice. 
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Vegan33 Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
That is by far the greatest bullshit by yours. Think about it just for a moment. Are humans with disabilities our equals? I think so. Then why can some of them get their ass wiped doing no fucking work for society while we can't? Just answer this. You can't... I thought so. Equality means to beware interests, while we do have plenty interests like education, entertainment etc. animals only have one core interest - to survive. You can't blame for doing, what they have to do in order to survive, but you can blame humans who achieved the alternatives if they still do kill animals for no other reason than enjoyment.

If you want to debate this with logical arguments I'm in. It's a long time ago I discussed on themes concerning animal rights.
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mnshortdraw Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013

I'm up for it.

Here's my situation.  I live on an island in the gulf of Alaska.  We have one grocery store here with limited selection and the prices are 39% more than the national average.  Much of the produce is either not available or high priced and poor quality.  The meat is all from factory farms and is brought in by barge.  I hunt snowshoe hares, deer, Mountain Goats, and elk, as well as several hundred pounds of fish per year.  I thoroughly enjoy the hunt and most important the meat for my friends and family.  I don't eat fast food or buy meat at the store.  Let's discuss in an adult logical manner what your issue is with that.

After that we can debate fox trapping.

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Vegan33 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
According to the description of your situation you're hunting, because there is no less cruel alternative to that, right? On the other side you claim to enjoy the act of hunting an animal, which, if you're consequent enough to think so far, means you enjoy murder ( of animals ). Now listen - first you claim to act for survival choosing the less cruel alternative to the factory farm to satisfy a necessity, but on the other hand you enjoy it as a hobby. Here is a question - would you go hunting even if there was no necessity to? If you don't care about it, then you don't care about animals in general and you're being hypocritical judging those who buy meat from factory farms. Got it? You can either claim it to be an act for survival or enjoy it, but if you enjoy hunting you wouldn't stop even if there was no necessity.

I would murder humans if there was a necessity to, but I wouldn't enjoy it. I also wouldn't choose to live somewhere I can't afford to buy enough food or where I can't feed the family without being cruel to animals - seriously, why did humans conquer Alaska?
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mnshortdraw Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013
There's no one reason I hunt, it is a combination of everything. The meat I get to feed my family with is handled properly, clean and cut to our liking and packaged properly. No hormones, antibiotics, steroids, or fed improper food. No standing in their own filth or being stressed on the way to the slaughterhouse. I most certainly would still hunt if there was cheap beef and pork at the grocery store. You can not buy meat as good as the animals I kill at the store. It just doesn't exist.
Here's my take on enjoying hunting. I enjoy being outside, in fact I spend around 40-60 hours a week outside. I get to see more real nature in a year than most people see in their life. I watch eagles catch ducks in mid air and tear them to shreds. I've seen foxes take down a fawn deer. Wolves cruising a field edge on the hunt. Ermine chasing tundra voles. Avalanches, volcanoes, 40 foot seas exploding on the bluffs. This is REAL stuff, not the cookie cutter nature center hike junk. We are animals just like everything else. I like to learn the behaviors and patterns of the animals I share the land with, and hunting them makes you really aware of why and how they do things. I don't enjoy killing things, but I enjoy the challenge of getting really close to animals. I enjoy marksmanship, I spend many hours at the rifle range competitively. I enjoy the hike and seeing how far I can push my body. Hunting takes many of the things I already love to do and combines them with the result of the best meat in the world.
There isn't any cruelty in what I do at all. In fact, it's one of the least traumatic deaths you could imagine. Death by a well placed bullet is instant via a disrupted central nervous system. It's like the flip of a light switch, painless, humane, just out...
I look forward to your perspective on what I just wrote. Obviously we are both set in our beliefs but a friendly discussion tends to at least enlighten and expand the mind.
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Vegan33 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Here is in short what you say about hunting - it takes you outdoors, where you get to see nature at its purest and it takes you close to animals, which you can study.

If you don't enjoy causing the death of animals why are you doing it? Is it necessary? If so, would you go vegan if you were living in Europe where you could easily afford this diet?

I love hiking as you do, but I won't cause the death of animals - never! I don't think we're greater than animals, but we're able to use alternatives, which we should take into consideration when we talk about animals being cruel to other animals.
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mnshortdraw Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013
Necessary-no.  I wouldn't starve to death or be malnourished.  I like meat and I believe it is healthy for humans to eat good wild meat so it's something that I wouldn't give up.  It is also a tradition in my family going back many generations.  Hunting and fishing is such a big part of my life it defines me.  Almost a religion to me to get to share my life with nature.  I guess I will find ways to justify my beliefs and others will justify theirs.  I could argue that being vegan indirectly leads to killing animals but I don't think it's appropriate.  Animals die whether or not I kill them so I'm happy to be able to put them to good use.  Thanks for your open mind and intelligent, honest discussion. 
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Vegan33 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
your welcome. :)
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Little-rolling-bean Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
The thing is that those disabled people are cared for by parents and caretakers that love them. It would be bad to kill a pet dog for fur or food, same thing with the disabled. 

Humans sometimes need to kill animals for survival, you can't blame us either. Sure, we do not need meat, but some really do have nutrition problems. Also, what about medical animal testing? Without that, we wouldn't know how to do transplants without animal testing. And another thing, with rights it will be illegal to kill bugs and pests for vegan food, so even the vegans would struggle with survival, so I call out BS on that. 

I can debate, this stamp is old so what it has might not be the same views as what I have now. 
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